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[15:03] [EMW] roll forward several decades and things are a bit different
[15:04] [EMW] I had them regularly trading with the surface people just to maintain their vault
[15:04] [EMW] since I think a totally isolated vault would just fall appart
[15:05] [EMW] inbreeding and selective pressure would probaly make them all very small
[15:05] [EMW] and probably fairly pale
[15:07] [EMW] they would have no protection against the viruses that could trigger morfs and probably weak immune systems in general
[15:08] [EMW] so one of them on a trip to the surface gets a rip in his protective suit
[15:09] [Sarang] Sigh.
[15:10] [Sarang] Sorry.
[15:11] [Sarang] I was reading about Starbucks giving up free Coffee to get people in Obama's volunteer thing.
[15:18] *** Argonaut sneaks in
[15:18] [Steph] hi Shrike :)
[15:18] Nick change: Argonaut -> afk_Shrike
[15:20] [Steph] sneaks in and then disappears again
[15:24] [EMW] yep
[15:24] [EMW] phew it's hard work deconnecting a washing machine
[15:25] [Steph] it is? why?
[15:25] [Steph] not like I'd know :P
[15:25] [EMW] my old one broke
[15:26] [EMW] so I have to disconnect it so they can take it away
[15:26] [EMW] all the pipes are in incovienient places
[15:26] [EMW] and the thing itself is very heavy
[15:27] [Steph] don't they disconnect it when they bring the new one?
[15:27] [EMW] not unless you pay them extra
[15:27] [Steph] sounds like money well spent for me :)
[15:27] [EMW] even then they usually only hook up the new one they want the old one disconnected and ready to go
[15:27] [EMW] in these turbulent times every penny counts :D
[15:28] [Steph] I'd never be able to move one of those things
[15:28] [EMW] I can move them by rocking them then I've got a trolly thing that will shift it
[15:29] [Steph] so your Vault story, is it going to be huge again. Like Interface or Salamander?
[15:29] [EMW] don't know
[15:29] [EMW] I've only written 6 chapters before i stopped to rethink it
[15:30] [Steph] and how long are those?
[15:30] [EMW] not very long
[15:30] [EMW] I'll check
[15:32] [EMW] about 10k word so far
[15:32] [EMW] a lot of that can probably stay
[15:33] [Steph] 10K total, that's not to bad then
[15:33] [Steph] that's usually a good start to a story :)
[15:33] [EMW] I know brit has a big problem with shape shifters so i dom't know if that element can stay
[15:34] [Steph] she only wants shape shifters to have limits
[15:34] [Steph] they can't change immediately
[15:34] [Steph] it takes time
[15:34] [Sarang] Frankly I don't like the thing.
[15:34] [EMW] well that might be ok then he can't change very quickly
[15:34] [EMW] and it is very painful to do it
[15:35] [Sarang] I find it odd to have Starbucks offering Coffee to those who sign up for it.
[15:35] [Steph] in my story, she can change in about three hours
[15:35] [Steph] if it's not a major change
[15:35] [Steph] same mass, but different appearance
[15:36] [EMW] I was always thinking it was redistribution of available mass
[15:36] [EMW] and he's locked in to the shapes he has he can't just change into anythong
[15:36] [Steph] caffeine is addictive... the first one is alwasy free :P
[15:36] [EMW] hehe
[15:36] [Sarang] Steph it's not that.
[15:36] [EMW] that's true
[15:36] [Sarang] It's this volunteer program Obama is trying to get these kids in.
[15:36] [Sarang] Older people too.
[15:37] [EMW] not heard of it but then I'm not american so not the target audience
[15:37] [Steph] niether am I, I guess
[15:37] [Sarang] It just reminded me of Spies from 1984 when I heard it.
[15:37] [Steph] but Starbucks charges too much for coffee anyway
[15:38] [Steph] IMHO
[15:38] [EMW] yeah
[15:38] [EMW] it's not even that nice coffee
[15:38] Nick change: afk_Shrike -> Shrike
[15:38] [EMW] he returns!
[15:38] [Shrike] Yay, I'm back
[15:38] [EMW] hows tricks
[15:38] [Sarang] Bottom line is why is Starbucks offering people free coffees to sign up for this?
[15:38] [EMW] advertising
[15:38] [Shrike] Can't get quality time. She's very very pregnant remember
[15:38] [Sarang] I can't think of ANYTHING like this ever happening before.
[15:39] [Sarang] EMW it's the fact that it's a government idea colluded in with business.
[15:39] [Sarang] Makes me quite suspicious.
[15:39] [EMW] yeah I'd say you have cause to be
[15:40] [Sarang] You joking or serious?
[15:40] [EMW] I think business ahve too much sway with governments but there is not a lot we can do about it
[15:40] [Sarang] Shit even with the voting and getting a free donut thing it's not like your name is on the free donut sheet I feel.
[15:40] [Shrike] boycot starbucks?
[15:40] [Sarang] *I think.
[15:41] [Sarang] Hey Shrike.
[15:41] [Sarang] How's the best drug ridden place in the world?
[15:41] [Sarang] :-D
[15:41] [Sarang] :D
[15:42] [Sarang] Can you get Hemp for writing paper there Shrike?
[15:42] [Shrike] i don't know I get in fast and go out even faster
[15:42] [Sarang] No I mean in the Netherlands.
[15:42] [EMW] I had some good drugs over there in amsterdam ... then again lager is my drug of choice so I can get that here too
[15:42] [Shrike] WHole nederland is not a drugs paradise
[15:43] [Shrike] Only some of the big cities
[15:43] [Sarang] You know I was joking kinda about the best drug ridden place bit.
[15:43] [Sarang] It's too bad I don't think I'll ever find a state or country that would share all my ideals.
[15:43] [Shrike] You should try a small town like Kuta beach on Bali, I got at least 3 offers of drugs or women in one street
[15:44] [EMW] only 3? You're slipping
[15:44] [Sarang] Loose on drugs, anti-gun control, anti-Death Penalty, pro-Gay Marriage and Pro-choice.
[15:45] [Shrike] Buy an old oilrig out of use and start your own stat
[15:45] [Sarang] I guess.
[15:45] [Shrike] state
[15:45] [Sarang] There aren't enough people Libertarian like me.
[15:45] [Sarang] :-(
[15:45] [Shrike] Some did it in small islands of UK
[15:45] [Sarang] WTF is a common sense state like mine so hard?
[15:45] [Sarang] *so hard to get?
[15:46] [Sarang] Oregon sounds great but a guy that actually defended himself and shot after the robber got a steep sentence.
[15:46] [EMW] you thinking of sealand shrike?
[15:46] [Sarang] *himself and his wife and
[15:46] [Sarang] It's so *CENSORED* retarded.
[15:47] [Sarang] Either it's too Liberal or really far right and not in a good way.
[15:48] [Sarang] I mean in terms of States.
[15:48] [Sarang] States rights should've stayed strong too.
[15:48] [Shrike] Yeah, but also some drilling platforms
[15:48] [Sarang] Instead of having a strong Federal government.
[15:49] [Sarang] You want a Federal government as WEAK as possible with only a strong defense force in case of invaders basically.
[15:49] [Shrike] I thought the entry said no political talk
[15:49] [EMW] yep
[15:49] *** Shrike slaps sarang
[15:49] [EMW] violent isn't he
[15:49] [Steph] unless it's related to MORFS :)
[15:50] [Steph] yes he is!!
[15:50] [Sarang] I'm sorry but I think of how much better off the world would be without strong Federal governments and shady agencies like the CIA and NSA.
[15:50] [Steph] abuse!!
[15:50] [Shrike] If I was violent I would say hit him with a 4 by 4
[15:50] [Shrike] Hey No Such Agency
[15:50] [Sarang] We can already take care of each other without big government.
[15:50] [EMW] what with a truck
[15:50] [Sarang] We have the Internet.
[15:50] [Shrike] But it has to be policed, or the bad guys misuse it for everything
[15:50] [EMW] something have to be done by some sort of government
[15:50] [Sarang] That's enough of a framework where we can quite effectively communicate with one another.
[15:51] [Sarang] Yes EMW.
[15:51] [EMW] I think healthcare is one of them
[15:51] [Shrike] That is also overrated
[15:51] [Sarang] But a strong Federal government is the WORST thing you can have.
[15:51] [EMW] private people are all about profit and that just leads to people taking shortcuts
[15:51] [Sarang] Because they create programs to then have the states which are funding them be dependent on them.
[15:51] [Sarang] As well as people.
[15:52] [Steph] people, in general, are greedy and selfish
[15:52] [Sarang] EMW I think you know the problem with Healthcare.
[15:52] [Shrike] Cab we change the subject now
[15:52] [EMW] I don't know about that we don't have a federal system
[15:52] [Steph] and the government reflects that
[15:52] [Sarang] It's not treated as a zero sum game.
[15:52] [Shrike] We don't have a federal system as well, our country is smaller than most states
[15:52] [Sarang] Companies need to realize that someday Healthcare will be subsidized because most diseases will find a cure.
[15:53] [Sarang] Those companies won't be able to stay in business then.
[15:53] [EMW] europe is sort of heading towards a federal super state
[15:53] [Shrike] CHANGE THE SUBJECT
[15:53] [Steph] Shrike, did you see the start of Sizzle 5 in GDoc's?
[15:54] [Sarang] Some things are absolutes. One thing that is is that it should be illegal for Hospitals to make a profit off patient treatment.
[15:54] [Sarang] Is there anything past Gdoc's?
[15:54] [Sarang] One can use.
[15:54] [Steph] what are you looking for, another word processor?
[15:54] [Steph] I use OpenOffice
[15:54] [EMW] open office is good
[15:55] [Sarang] I meant for posting online.
[15:55] [Sarang] Because I don't trust Google.
[15:55] [Shrike] Not yet, I've been busy with mortgage for the new house
[15:55] [EMW] microsoft do a sort of gdocs thing :D
[15:55] [Steph] MSN has some sort of file sharing options
[15:56] [Shrike] I definitely don't trust Macroshit
[15:56] [Steph] the only other thing I know of is posting to some web site
[15:56] [Shrike] I have a website
[15:56] [Sarang] I'd rather deal with MS then google.
[15:56] [Shrike] I still have to update it
[15:56] [Sarang] *Google.
[15:56] [Sarang] I consider Google Arsenal Gear.
[15:57] [Shrike] Must be a gag
[15:57] [Shrike] :p
[15:57] [Steph] I have an easier time trusting Google than MS
[15:57] [Steph] but they are but thin business to make money... so there :P
[15:57] [Shrike] Both will want to use userinfo for their own issues
[15:58] [Shrike] Doesn't matter which one
[15:59] [Shrike] Steph, what did you think of Going Native
[16:00] [Steph] I've read that one before
[16:00] [Shrike] I thought so
[16:00] [Steph] it sort of ended in the middle
[16:00] [Sarang] Shrike until Google discloses their government relationship no thanks.
[16:00] [Sarang] Also.
[16:00] [Shrike] Not end, haven't written more yet
[16:00] [Sarang] I will say this for anyone using any of these services.
[16:01] [Sarang] If you use Google Checkout you're an idiot.
[16:01] [Shrike] What is Checkout?
[16:01] [Sarang] I'd say the same or almost the same with MS checkout.
[16:01] [Sarang] If one existed.
[16:01] [Steph] I've never heard ot if
[16:01] [Sarang] There's a Google Checkout option.
[16:01] [Sarang] On some sites.
[16:01] [Shrike] Like paying digital?
[16:01] [EMW] pay pal like
[16:02] [Shrike] I only use iDeal, and last time they asked my wife a different one, I said no to her
[16:02] [Shrike] I have tested iDeal for Postbank/ING, so I know it well enough
[16:03] [Shrike] bbiaw
[16:03] [Sarang] I use Paypal but that is it's own entity.
[16:03] [Sarang] Too bad eBay bought them though.
[16:03] [Sarang] -_-
[16:04] [EMW] I tend to just use a credit card
[16:06] [Sarang] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
[16:06] [Sarang] I know a site actually doing transactions for items in game.
[16:06] [Sarang] The game is free but the premiums.
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