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[02:24] [marful] I can't see away for the government to legally bypass inalienable rights. Unless morfs are some how dictated to not be human
[02:25] [bane] a cop shows up and shots him
[02:25] [Nina] where does the point of experiments on morfs stop
[02:25] [moo] ok.....
[02:25] [marful] oooh moo
[02:25] [bane] he goes down but dosent die
[02:25] [moo] what?
[02:25] [marful] I think I got it =P
[02:25] [moo] ok...
[02:25] [Nina] could someone have something like Wolverine done to them
[02:25] [bane] the news is all over this story
[02:25] [marful] If they aren't considered human, they don't have rights
[02:25] [Nina] the metal bone thing
[02:25] [moo] ok....
[02:25] [moo] the wolverine thing doesnt work
[02:25] [moo] the bones make blood cells
[02:25] [marful] no rights means that you don't have to have a trial
[02:25] [bane] so they have to have a tril
[02:26] [moo] covered in metal, you should die by suffocation
[02:26] [Nina] ah
[02:26] [marful] another thing, is if they are deemed enemy combatants (i.e. lose citizenship)
[02:26] [bane] he is found gelty so they have to put him in prison
[02:26] [moo] no oxygen in blood
[02:26] [moo] ok....
[02:26] [Nina] what if only part of bones
[02:26] [moo] and its guilty
[02:26] [Nina] say around the skull?
[02:26] [moo] not gelty
[02:26] [moo] go on bane
[02:26] [bane] what ever :p
[02:26] [moo] :p
[02:26] [marful] :p
[02:26] [moo] continue...
[02:26] [bane] so they have to have prisons for these guys
[02:26] [Nina] to protect the skul better
[02:26] [moo] ok
[02:27] [bane] and that is happening all over the place
[02:27] *** marful jumps on bekah and nina again for fun!"
[02:27] [marful] SMOOSH!~
[02:27] [Nina] ow
[02:27] [bane] so they have prisons for these guys, why use illigal prisons?
[02:27] [moo] and if you can have a prison....jail....jailors....special cops....and dont have to pay a cent....why wouldnt you
[02:27] [moo] saves you the cost of a prison
[02:27] [bane] becuse its aginst the law
[02:27] [moo] so?
[02:28] [moo] if you can get away with it... why not?
[02:28] [bane] and when people found out your ass aint worth shit
[02:28] [bane] and its not your money
[02:28] [moo] dude, governments dont think that way. thats why there are scandals
[02:28] [moo] and by the way?
[02:28] [Rebekah] dont u be upsettin my baby marful
[02:28] [bane] its the govs and they have no problem spending it
[02:28] [marful] !morf me medium
[02:28] [marful] woot
[02:28] [moo] this WOULD get out, the team WOULD be disbanded and possibly jailed, and the government officcials responsible WOULD go to jail
[02:29] [marful] Converter!
[02:29] [bane] hmmm
[02:29] [bane] hmmmmmmmm
[02:29] [moo] inevitabaly
[02:29] [moo] but that wont take place in the story
[02:29] [bane] maybe its a state gov guy that is ordering them about?
[02:29] [moo] yes
[02:29] [bane] and he dosent want to build a prison?
[02:29] [marful] Moo, how about this happening in a state where the local laws are different?
[02:29] [moo] its a bid for power
[02:29] [marful] such as were the Pures hang out ?
[02:29] [moo] i was thinking canada
[02:29] [marful] ah
[02:30] [bane] how do they do prison there?
[02:30] [bane] is it all national or do the do provinse prisons?
[02:30] [moo] almost the same as the US, but theres some BIG differences
[02:30] [marful] well, I don't know much about the legal system and politics in canada except everyone hates Quebec but the majority of the government is run by quebecans
[02:30] [moo] lol
[02:30] [moo] no its not
[02:30] [moo] if it was, quebec would have seperated by now
[02:31] [moo] the capital is in ontario
[02:31] [bane] so how is the prison system up there?
[02:31] [moo] there are some differences, but this team would still be quite illegal here
[02:31] [moo] im not 100% sure about the prison systems
[02:31] [bane] i ment do they have federal and state persons?
[02:31] [marful] what would be the teams motiviation to break the law ?
[02:31] [bane] or is it all one system?
[02:31] [moo] i mean, i am becoming a cop, but i dont know it all, its too complex
[02:32] [moo] they have both
[02:32] [marful] I mean if these guys are morally good people breaking the law would be kind of a contradiction of character
[02:32] [Nina] my older brother is acop
[02:32] [moo] but provincial is for small stuff
[02:32] [moo] no
[02:32] [moo] theyre morally bad people
[02:32] [marful] oh...
[02:32] [marful] So the super team = not nice people?
[02:32] [moo] but the government is really apathetic here. politics are not big on peoples minds
[02:32] [moo] they are
[02:32] [bane] ok, i can see a state or proverince or whatever you have :p wanting to save money byy by not building a prison
[02:32] [moo] the team is
[02:32] *** marful confused
[02:32] [marful] so why would good people do amoral things?
[02:33] [moo] but they are being blackmailed into avoiding bad guys the government wants to take themselves
[02:33] [marful] It would cost a LOT to build a prison to house people with super powers
[02:33] [moo] nonononono
[02:33] [moo] the team is good
[02:33] [moo] the government is bad
[02:33] [moo] the government moniters the team and gives them guidelines
[02:33] [bane] lol why cant we have good goverment some time?
[02:33] [marful] ah, so this is a form of civil disobedience for the greater good?
[02:33] [moo] the team must follow
[02:33] [moo] yes
[02:34] [moo] these special jails to hold high powered MORFS would cost millions
[02:34] [bane] right so what do you think of my idea?
[02:34] [moo] they would save enough money from this that it would be worth it
[02:34] [moo] which one?
[02:34] [bane] ok, i can see a state or proverince or whatever you have :p wanting to save money byy by not building a prison
[02:34] [moo] exactly
[02:34] [Nina] why not prison colonies?
[02:34] [moo] that is 100% right
[02:35] [moo] where, nina?
[02:35] [bane] national jail yes, local they want to save money
[02:35] [moo] nunavut?
[02:35] [Nina] stick them on a diserted island
[02:35] [moo] where?
[02:35] [bane] so your group is working only in that local area
[02:35] [moo] not many of them
[02:35] [moo] maybe, maybe not
[02:35] [moo] they arent rich, but theyre independantly wealthy
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[02:35] [moo] besides, they don't do the spiderman thing
[02:36] [bane] and that local polition is just saying that they dont have crimes with morfs becuse they are so good, and he gets realected and pockets a big wad of chash
[02:36] [moo] they dont 'patrol'
[02:36] [moo] exactly
[02:36] [bane] ok i see it working
[02:36] [moo] bane, you just hit the nail on the head
[02:36] [Nina] aw
[02:36] [Nina] chi went bye
[02:36] [Rebekah] im sure he will be back
[02:36] [moo] crime goes down, money is saved, streets are safe, everyone is happy
[02:36] [moo] except the criminals
[02:37] [moo] but this team would only ever be called in
[02:37] [moo] so theyre the governments secret reserve team
[02:37] [bane] and the money the national gov is giveing to update the prison system is going streat into the politions wolet
[02:37] [moo] exactly
[02:37] [moo] win-win from their point of veiw
[02:37] [bane] yep
[02:38] [moo] the downside is its a short term solution
[02:38] [moo] thats all
[02:38] [bane] right, tell a criminal in the area makes a big enough show and the national attintion in the media is drawn to it
[02:38] [moo] its illegal? so what? when they get found out. IF they get found out, a lackey will go to jail, and they will move on with life
[02:38] [moo] exactly
[02:38] [moo] the criminal goes to jail
[02:38] [moo] the media is told theyre dead
[02:39] [bane] i ment how it might collapse
[02:39] [moo] the team has to knock them out
[02:39] [bane] big time crime happens and crimenal servives
[02:39] [moo] so they can pretend they killed them
[02:39] [moo] so they media gets pics of the criminal's 'dead body'
[02:39] [bane] like i said early with the fire el
[02:39] [moo] and no one would ever go looking
[02:40] [bane] well yes
[02:40] [moo] thats also how the main character of manifest would survive the encounter
[02:40] [bane] but when it all blow up is what i am trying to outline
[02:40] [moo] it will, but im not going to write about it, because theres too many ways it could happen
[02:40] [moo] as i said, short term
[02:40] [bane] when the criminal goes on trile and is convicted and the politicon gose shit i dont have anywhere legal to put him
[02:41] [moo] thats one way
[02:41] [moo] another is the team itself gets tired and disbands
[02:41] [bane] right ok
[02:41] [bane] i give my approvil :p
[02:41] [moo] some them could die
[02:41] [moo] its open-ended, becuase i use no specifics
[02:41] *** bane stamps moos story with his approval stamp
[02:42] [moo] also, i could later on, write a story about the team getting together in the first place
[02:42] [bane] right
[02:42] [Nina] neat
[02:42] [moo] because theres so many ways i can change it, im not seeking approval
[02:42] [Nina] what year is your story in?
[02:42] *** bane goes crazy and starts stamping everything
[02:42] [Nina] yay
[02:42] *** bane stamps moo on the head
[02:42] [moo] im thinking itshould start in 2020
[02:42] [Nina] neat
[02:42] *** bane stamps nina on the backside
[02:42] [moo] because the team would already be around
[02:42] [moo] its manifest the team shows up in
[02:43] [bane] hmmm that seems to be a good time
[02:43] [moo] early enough that people might try being superheros
[02:43] [bane] i exspect when morfs first started all morf criminals where considered federal crimanals becuse they where the only ones that could handle it
[02:43] [moo] probably
[02:43] [marful] hey bane, you have google docs right?
[02:44] [bane] by 2020 the proverinces whould start takeing over
[02:44] [bane] yes
[02:44] [moo] unless they 'go quietly' no regular cop is going to take down a high powered telekinetic
[02:44] [bane] i dont know
[02:44] [marful] I wrote a 3rd chapter to a novel I started in 2000 and I want someone to read it. It's a hard core william gibson style sci-fi
[02:44] [marful] I've only shown it to 1 other person so far
[02:44] [bane] a cop just shows up at a crim seen
[02:45] [bane] how is william gibson?
[02:45] [marful] I'm doing something very difficult, I have 2 protagonists, and one of them I always write from first person, and the other in 3rd
[02:45] [marful] because I want the character's to feel different
[02:45] [bane] intersiting
[02:45] [moo] hmmm
[02:45] [marful] William Gibson = Neuromancer? The godfather of cyberpunk
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