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[00:55] [moo] how do you keep getting viruses
[00:55] [bane] shorter maybe
[00:55] [moo] hi marful
[00:55] [marful] I'm 5'6" so my height stays the same!
[00:55] [bane] its the same one, dosent want to go away
[00:55] [marful] Hi Moo!
[00:55] [moo] hi
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[00:55] [moo] whats up
[00:55] [marful] Bane, restart in safe mode and try and remove from there
[00:55] [moo] who was that anyway?
[00:56] [bane] i have done avist from boot up, and it still there...
[00:56] [marful] dunno moo =(
[00:56] [bane] i can try in safe mode
[00:56] [moo] what does it do?
[00:56] [moo] the virus?
[00:56] [marful] whats the name of it?
[00:56] [bane] it says it gets ride of the virus but it dosent seem to go away
[00:56] [moo] what does the virus cause to happen?
[00:57] [bane] seneka i think
[00:57] [marful] some viruses have a 2ndary part or even 4-5 components that each activate when it detects the main virus is removed and reinstall it
[00:57] [moo] but what does it do?!
[00:57] [marful] some also install as drivers
[00:58] [bane] all kinds of things, my background is now blue and i cant change it, i was locked out of task manager at first,
[00:58] [moo] odd
[00:59] [bane] also lots of pop ups, and it make a think in the task bar that said i had spybots on my computer and advertised a remover
[00:59] [bane] and some other stuff too
[00:59] [bane] and my computer is much slower
[00:59] [marful] seneka is a rootkit trojan
[01:00] [bane] what dose that mean?
[01:00] [marful] A rootkit means that it installs with root access, as in the highest level of access to your system possible. It can do anything and everything, from installing new spyware to actually hijacking and taking control of your computer
[01:01] Nick change: Adran -> Adran|Away
[01:01] [bane] scary
[01:01] [moo] your lucky thats all they did
[01:01] [marful] One thing that makes rootkits bad, is that they can turn on remote desktop, take remote control of your pc and change the PW and lock you out of your own computer
[01:02] [bane] umm thats not good
[01:02] [marful] generally though when you have a rootkit, they use your computer as remote network storage for illegal stuff
[01:02] [marful] they also turn your pc into a slave of a botnet to do massive DDOS and brute force attacks
[01:02] [marful] lastly, criminals who pander CP often use zombie file storage (computers that have been infected) as remote storage for... CP... which is bad
[01:03] [moo] would disconnecting from the internet be a way to stop them?
[01:03] [marful] yes
[01:03] [marful] until you plug back in
[01:03] [moo] oh
[01:03] [moo] so a stopgap measure
[01:03] [marful] yes
[01:03] [moo] hes lucky he didnt get the armeggedon virus
[01:03] [moo] armageddon
[01:04] [moo] i dont know how to spell it :p
[01:04] [bane] so how do you get rid of it?
[01:04] [marful] don't download midget pr0n? =P
[01:04] [moo] lol
[01:04] [bane] damn
[01:04] [bane] :p
[01:04] [marful] I'm thinking
[01:04] [moo] have either of you heard of the armageddon virus
[01:04] [bane] nope
[01:04] [marful] moo: never heard of it
[01:05] [marful] Bane: problem is with rootkits, is that they usually have several detached programs that reinstall the main part
[01:05] [moo] it shuts down the moniters fan, and makes the computer overheat
[01:05] [marful] ...
[01:05] [marful] that sounds bad moo
[01:05] [moo] sorry moniter AND hard drive
[01:05] [moo] if left unchecked, it can start fires
[01:05] [marful] Ah... ok I remember that virus
[01:06] [marful] back in 1992-5 in the BBS days, people would infect popular files in warez BBS's
[01:06] [marful] back in windows 95 days there was a command that if ran with root would disable all input/output devices from the mobo...
[01:06] [moo] the armageddon virus was once used to burn down a businees
[01:07] [moo] business
[01:07] [bane] hmmm so, what do i do?
[01:07] [marful] bane: what program detected the virus?
[01:07] [bane] avist, kind of, i noticed a problem and downloaded the program
[01:08] [bane] before that i used avg and it didnt notice it
[01:08] [marful] avist? I've never heard of that one
[01:08] [marful] AVG sucks =P but you do get what you pay for
[01:08] Nick change: Adran|Away -> Adran
[01:08] [bane] avast
[01:08] [marful] my buddy is a sr. software artitect for symantec so I get the free NFR corporate anti-virus stuff =P
[01:09] [marful] artitect = architect
[01:09] [bane] lucky you
[01:10] [marful] every post I see on tech forums says the person reformatted =(
[01:10] [bane] im planing on geting a new computer soon, could i copy my files -nonesystem files just stuff i have- to my removeble harddrives and move them over to a new computer or are the infected to somehow?
[01:10] [marful] do you have enough $$ to buy a 2nd HD?
[01:11] [marful] Bane yes... BUT if one of those files is infected, you run the risk of reinfecting.
[01:11] [bane] i have two in my computer and two removibles
[01:11] [marful] what I would suggest, is that if you buy a whole new computer instead of upgrading, to instal a REAL anti-vrius and scan the drives DELETING any infected file
[01:12] [marful] but before that, I would get a new hard drive and do a compete mirror of your main OS drive for backup incase you ever have problems again
[01:12] [bane] hmmm ok
[01:12] [marful] I actually had a Keylogger on my pc 2 weeks ago =(
[01:12] [marful] got my wow account hacked and my email account but I caught it in time.
[01:13] [marful] keyloggers are generally .dll files so I couldn't pick it up on a virus scan
[01:13] [marful] stupid me was downloading a video codec from what aI thought was a legit site
[01:13] [marful] =(
[01:13] [bane] shit
[01:14] [marful] I reformatted onto a brand new HD, re-installed everything, made a backup of everything, and then plugged in my old HD and just pulled off the stuff I wanted and then wiped that drive
[01:14] [bane] all this is to complicated for me, can i play in the kiddy section from now on? :p
[01:14] [marful] it's time consuming, and a PIA but if you take the proper steps protects you in the future
[01:14] [marful] bane: www.apple.com ^_^
[01:15] [bane] ?
[01:15] [marful] kiddy section =P
[01:15] [marful] (making joke... but failing badly)
[01:15] [bane] yep
[01:15] [marful] T_T
[01:16] [bane] me no comprehinday computer talk
[01:16] [marful] Apple = mac? = Kiddie section?
[01:16] [bane] i know what a apple is why is it a kiddie section?
[01:16] [bane] isnt it just a kind of computer?
[01:16] [marful] less virii in the wild for it
[01:16] [marful] like astronomically less
[01:17] [marful] but you can't' play games T_T
[01:17] [bane] what no games?
[01:17] [bane] whats it good for then?
[01:17] [marful] pr0n?
[01:17] [bane] no thank you
[01:17] [marful] lol
[01:18] [marful] I'm actually using a mac laptop right now. I use it for work though. (I do printing so I use photoshop/illustrator a lot)
[01:18] [marful] I use my pc for gaming
[01:19] [bane] ok so i get a new computer, put all my stuff on the removible drives and port them over? when to i scan them with a virus detector? and on what computer
[01:20] [Nina] back
[01:20] [bane] YAY!
[01:20] [marful] 1.) Get new Pc, 2.) Pull HD out of old PC, 3.) Install REAL anti-virus software on new PC, 4.) Plug in old HD 5.) scan new HD for virus, 6.) Copy files you want over, 7.) Format old drive. 8.) Make backup of new HD. 9.) ??? 10.) Profit!
[01:20] [moo] wb
[01:20] [marful] WB!
[01:21] [marful] doh, in step 5.) scan OLD hd for virus (duh)
[01:21] [Nina] hehe
[01:21] [Nina] is bekah back yet?
[01:21] [moo] no
[01:21] [bane] ah ok
[01:21] [bane] i was confused for a second there :p
[01:22] [marful] its ok Bane... midget pr0n will do that
[01:22] *** marful pats bane's hands in consolation...
[01:22] [bane] its the hight that gets me
[01:22] [bane] alwas startles me
[01:23] [bane] im like wow are they on ther knees! no! they arnt! wow!
[01:23] [bane] :p
[01:23] [marful] ...
[01:23] [bane] nevermind
[01:23] [Nina] :(
[01:23] Nick change: Adran -> Adran|Away
[01:23] [moo] weird.....
[01:23] [bane] now on to finding a computer
[01:23] [marful] sorry about the rootkit. They suck =(
[01:24] [bane] ya well my computer is 6 years old i need a new one
[01:24] [marful] wow 6 years?
[01:24] [bane] wait no its 7
[01:24] [moo] woa
[01:24] [marful] you must not play much games on it =P
[01:24] [bane] not in the last year, no new ones
[01:25] [bane] it was realy good when i got it, alienwear
[01:25] [marful] ...
[01:25] [marful] have you ever built your own PC?
[01:25] [bane] nope
[01:25] [marful] Would save you a ton of $$$
[01:25] [chibi_zoned_out] i have
[01:25] [bane] i didnt by the last one, i was like 14 at the time
[01:25] [marful] I only buy pre-built PC's for my work for the warranty
[01:26] [marful] ah
[01:26] [marful] all other PC's are self built.
[01:26] [bane] how do you build your own pc?
[01:26] [chibi_zoned_out] i built my 1st pc at 13
[01:26] [marful] are you familiar with legos bane?
[01:26] [bane] yes
[01:26] [marful] can you use a philips screw driver?
[01:26] [chibi_zoned_out] its like legos but u screw em down
[01:26] [bane] i still paly with them from time to time :p
[01:27] [marful] you can obviously install software =P
[01:27] [marful] the trickiest part is buying the right ram and CPU to go with the mobo
[01:27] [bane] ya, i figured that, i dont know all the computer stuff to choose for my self
[01:27] [marful] but when I'm feeling lazy, I go to websites that have have components already selected
[01:27] [bane] and i havent found a nerd yet to do it for me
[01:28] [marful] Sharkyextreme.com for instance puts out aguide each month
[01:28] *** bane eyes marful sepectivly
[01:28] [marful] one is for bargain pc ($1k budget) another for $2k and then $5k
[01:28] [chibi_zoned_out] bargain is 1k?
[01:28] [chibi_zoned_out] wow are u bad at bargains
[01:28] [marful] lol, I'll help you put it together if you were near me =P
[01:28] [marful] Includes monitor and case =P
[01:29] [marful] thats like 350 right there
[01:29] [chibi_zoned_out] bargain i can put a comp together for 300
[01:29] [bane] i think i can put the parts in place its just knowing what to get that i dont know
[01:29] [chibi_zoned_out] with monitor and case
[01:29] [marful] ... can it play games?
[01:29] [marful] like crysis?
[01:29] [chibi_zoned_out] dunno what that needs to run
[01:29] [chibi_zoned_out] and u said bargain, u diddnt say a good one
[01:30] [marful] I meant gaming machine =P
[01:30] [marful] A $1000 pc (cost of components) will sell for $2000 by alienware or dell (but comes with a warranty)
[01:30] [chibi_zoned_out] all a gaming machine needs is more ram and better graphics
[01:30] [marful] Graphics Card, Ram and a moderate CPU
[01:31] [chibi_zoned_out] well yeah but i wouldent put a crappy cpu in anything
[01:31] [marful] lol
[01:31] [marful] true!
[01:31] [bane] i think i can get 2500 - 3000 to geather if i ask for a loan vis bankpapa
[01:31] [marful] $300 pc is a small format case right?
[01:31] [chibi_zoned_out] and they've kinda hit the ceiling with making cpus better
[01:31] [marful] Bane, don't need to spend that much!
[01:32] [bane] ok how much? im used to the price back in the 90's
[01:32] [marful] I noticed mobo bus speeds are slowly climbing up
[01:32] [chibi_zoned_out] mar has volunteered to make u a list of what to buy
[01:32] [marful] lol
[01:32] [chibi_zoned_out] buy it and put it together
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